The omens are good that 2019 is destined to be a year of firsts in the Arctic. Our regular reader(s) will no doubt fondly recall previous editions of our annual Great White Con “New Einstein” Award? 2019’s competition breaks all the moulds by opening the running with a quote from Snow White’s home from home at the Arctic Sea Ice Forum rather than one of the usual “skeptical” venues!
Here for your delectation is the very first “New Einstein” contestant of the 2019 melting season:
1) Lurk at the ASIF, with:
Your unnecessary over the top haughtiness and implicit threats is not helping your communication style one bit Jim. I am far from impressed atm with your version of the Ivory Tower you seem to inhabit. By all means ‘sharpen your sword’ if that is what you imagine you are dealing with because someone says they do not quite understand what you thread is all about.
You can either answer such reasonable questions with a modicum of sincerity and genuineness or continue in the direction you are heading.
2) Spike55 at unRealScience, with:
You’re an idiot.
A child-minded troll
And a slimebag con-man.
3) Freegrass at the ASIF, with:
What I found out these last 3 months as a Newbie on this forum is that some people here don’t like it when new members take away the spotlight from the oldtimers. All they do is moan and bitch over file sizes, but they fail to reply to any other message I post. So what we have here my dear friend is a textbook example of bigotry. We are excluded from the group… They rather have we left, so they get all the attention again… But who cares? Leave those idiots be. Do what you know to be right, and work together for the benefit of all mankind!
in conjunction with:
Your only contributions to this thread have been complaints and promotions for your own website.
Please refrain from doing so! If you have some Nullschool animation to contribute or comments on the work that is posted here, feel free to do so! If you only come here to complain and tell people what to do, please go away!
and not forgetting:
May I remind everyone that this is the Nullschool Animations thread. I made this thread because you bastards complaint about my graphics on the melting season thread, and now you come here to bitch AGAIN? GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!
16 thoughts on “The Great White Con 2019 “New Einstein” Award”
I don’t understand Lurk’s comment at all. Can you provide a “for dummies” version?
Have you clicked through to the “Algorithms of Hate” thread on the ASIF and read the context?
After a long leave of absence I’ve recently dived back into the “feeding frenzy of white bears” in the “political” rather than “sea ice” threads over there.
It’s now March 2nd. A whole day has passed since the 2019 competition opened, and normal service has been resumed in the “skeptical” blogosphere.
For some unaccountable reason Spike55, one of the denizens at Tony Heller’s “Deplorable Climate Science Blog”, has been calling me names this morning. See above.
For some other unaccountable reason I currently appear to be “on moderation” over there.
Being both a geophysicist and a financial historian provides an understanding of today’s exceptionally intrusive politics.
For the moment I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. Would you care to elaborate on your “drive by” link, or should I consign your comment to the spam bucket?
It has been a long journey, following one’s curiosity. 1957 was declared “International Geophysical Year (IGY)” and I completed my degree in 1962. Lecturers taught two theories about ice ages, which was a concern. One that glacial advance needed a miraculously open Arctic Ocean to provide the snow over a frozen continent. Which seemed unlikely. The other theory was that the change was driven by change in the solar system. At the time, there was not enough evidence to conclude either way.
Then the data accumulated confirming that climate history was periodic. Not random with no mention of CO2. My own work of financial and political history was essentially completed in the early 1980s. The main observation has been that society suffers huge and dislocating experiments in authoritarian government. Such as over the last 120 years.
I began writing about climate in 2008 because of the abuse of science. Similar to that which accompanied the “ending action” of authoritarianism in the early 1600s. When to defy the dogma about the solar system then was worth your life. So, history is in another exciting time when the public grabs some commonsense and begins to reform the threats attendant to power-mad bureaucrats. The are some “popular uprisings” going on lately. Thought you had a site for open inquiry.
On the science side I’ve been telling people that climate study is in a renaissance with Svensmark’s cosmic ray theory. And this BSc. has checked the physics with top PhD physicists.
[Reformatted somewhat – Mod]
Thanks very much for the long form commentary. If you remember the IGY then this video may well be of interest to you? (Click through to YouTube for the optimal viewing experience):
We do like to think that we are “a site for open inquiry”. However you surely must know the drill by now? For example, can you provide a few links to peer reviewed papers in reputable academic journals elucidating the work of the “top PhD physicists” you refer to?
Will Happer Prof. Emeritus, Physics Princeton.
Ian Plimer, Prof. Emeritus, Earth Sciences, Melbourne University.
It is worth noting that they do not support the notion that any kind of CO2 causes significant warming.
And climate trend changes to warming have preceded the increase in CO2 concentrations by some 600 to 800 years.
Stuff like this as well as the links from solar activity to cosmic rays to clouds to cooling is easier to teach than first-year physics labs.
Saw the footage of the guy on a tow-board or whatever they call them.
Are you aware that those guys are on every list of “climate change deniers” ever created. By way of example:
not to mention:
Bob – Given your continuing abstinence from substantive discussion your link has been “archived”
So being on a list of ‘deniers’ is sufficient to discredit them? What do you suggest, Jim? Should their Alma Maters cancel their PhD’s?
Have you noticed that a number of climate skeptics are emeritus? Could that be connected to how difficult it is for scientists to work if they have skeptical positions?
The field needs to get back to science and stop being the tool of politicians.
Hello again Taylor,
Since Bob hasn’t got around to it yet, perhaps you can provide “a few links to peer reviewed papers in reputable academic journals elucidating the work of the “top PhD physicists” you refer to?”
Surely that’s how science progresses? Or are all those “reputable academic journals” merely “the tools of politicians”?
Jim, certainly, happy to give you some references to papers, but I’m traveling, so it may be a few days. However, as a scientist, I’m sure you are aware of many of them as well, since that’s how ‘science progresses’. (Thesis, antithesis, synthesis – the dialectic).
In the meantime, here’s a challenge. Why don’t you come up with two, and I’ll come up with a few, and we can compare.
And my point about politicians is how they use (and twist) science for power. For example, see “Statement for Policymakers” vs. the underlying IPCC science or Obama’s famous quote “The consensus is that Climate Change is real, man made and dangerous”.
Your wish is my command Taylor! However to be frank I’m more of an “engineer” than a “scientist”. Here’s a couple of papers that have been mentioned on this site previously.
Barber et al. 2009:
and Thomson & Rogers 2014:
Sorry for the long delay – traveling and with relatives caused me to defer this reply. However, I think you misinterpreted my request. I was asking you for the two best papers you had seen that questioned CAGW and the Arctic “Death Spiral” (see Dr. Wadham’s fun articles for more info on that). My point about the Dialectic was that as someone interested in the Arctic and Climate Science, you must surely be aware of legitimate dissent (dare I say skepticism) in the scientific community, However, you gave me your favorite consensus papers – hardly what I was looking for.
Here are a few published, peer-reviewed papers which have a contrarian view of the science. The first two are examples of papers that challenge the notion of high climate sensitivity (increase due to doubling of CO2, for example). The second three are examples of papers that are contradictory of conventional wisdom about sea ice, including both causes of sea ice variability, and whether current levels of sea ice are unusually low (and therefore human driven vs. natural variation).
Enjoy, your comments would be appreciated, as well as your thoughts on other contrarian papers you have seen/take seriously.
CO2-driven Warming Overestimated:
On the Misdiagnosis of Surface Temperature Feedbacks from Variations in Earth’s Radiant Energy Balance
Roy W. Spencer * and William D. Braswell
Remote Sens. 2011, 3, 1603-1613; doi:10.3390/rs3081603
(cloud two-way feedbacks can naturally drive cooling and warming, therefore CO2 Sensitivity is lower than estimated)
On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications
Richard S. Lindzen and Yong-Sang Choi Asia-Pacific J. Atmos. Sci., 47(4), 377-390, 2011
(observational evidence supports much lower climate (CO2) sensitivity than estimated in climate models)
Vagaries of Atlantic overturning
Thomas W. N. Haine
Nature Geoscience volume 9, pages 479–480 (2016)
(significant impact on Arctic Ice is due to ocean circulation, not GHG effects)
Holocene dynamics in the Bering Strait inflow to the Arctic and the Beaufort Gyre circulation based on sedimentary records from the Chukchi Sea
Masanobu Yamamoto1,2,3, Seung-Il Nam4, Leonid Polyak5, Daisuke Kobayashi3, Kenta Suzuki3, Tomohisa Irino1,3, and Koji Shimada6
Clim. Past, 13, 1111–1127, 2017
(historical arctic sea ice levels were lower, primarily due to solar insolation)
Tropical forcing of the recent rapid Arctic warming in northeastern Canada and Greenland
Qinghua Ding, John M. Wallace, David S. Battisti, Eric J. Steig, Ailie J. E. Gallant, Hyung-Jin Kim & Lei Geng
Nature volume 509, pages 209–212 (08 May 2014)
(recent fluctuations of Arctic Ice since 1979 due to natural variability (North Atlantic Oscillation) influenced by Rossby wave-train activity from the tropical Paciific)
Your “Why don’t you come up with two” didn’t convey that meaning to me I’m afraid Taylor.
I was attempting to convey that this is an “Arctic sea ice blog”, not a “CAGW blog”. However since you insist, what do you suppose Messrs Spencer and Lindzen would make of this new data?
FYI you get zero credibilty here if you quote those guys. See for example:
For discussion of Ding et al. see:
I’ll get back to you on your other Arctic sea ice papers when the current plunge in extent stabilises for a while. Until then I’ll be rather busy!